January 30, 2014 12 Comments
[Note: this is #19 of a series of 20]
We've covered how tension contributes to the structure. I've showed a few ways to measure it. We've also discussed the importance of even tension on each side of the wheel.
But how tight is right? In other words, what is optimal tension?
About Tension Levels
(1) There is no one correct tension for all wheels. Resist generalities, like "tighter is better." No more true of spoke tension than of tire pressure. Situations vary widely.
(2) Even with low spoke tension, wire wheels can efficiently support very large loads with minimal flex. Damon Rinard's famous stiffness test should have put misconceptions to rest. But they're out there like zombies (... ideas that should have died long ago in the face of evidence or logic, but just keep shambling forward, eating peoples’ brains).
Having tested spoke wire for years and made and sold millions of spokes, I will confirm the single greatest defensible argument for higher spoke tension is its contribution to spoke fatigue life by minimizing moments of zero tension during load cycles.
How Much is Too Much or Too Little?
(1) Don't build extra tight to keep a wheel from vibrating apart. Spoke tension is for supporting loads. Thread compounds (or nylock nuts) are for loosening prevention. The effects overlap but don't mix them up.
(2) Extra tension is not the best way to get components to settle in. Spokes that need to be bent straight, nipples that need to be forced down into a lasting position, these are best achieved with dedicated manipulations (like stress relieving).
(3) Rim deformation at the nipple can be a bad sign. In the old days (decades ago) designs existed that were not stable until deformed. Today, that is no longer the case. When a rim deforms from tension, that zone enters its plastic phase. A structure with a major component in, or close, to plastic deformation is vulnerable to fatigue and failure. A well-designed rim should accept spoke tension without deformation. There are exceptions. None of this is black and white.
(4) Excessive tension takes longer to achieve, like an acrobat balancing an extra heavy stack of props. The customer pays for this. Is it a waste of money? And if you the builder don't charge, then is it wasting yours?
(5) Inadequate tension is indicated by flex noticed and resented by the rider, noise as the wheel rotates (and spokes rub), and short spoke fatigue life (assuming quality spokes to begin with).
(6) An overly tight wire wheel is prone to sudden deformation with little warning. The well known result is often called a "taco." It's up there with crank or handlebar breakage for danger. Creeping up on this possibility is not worth it especially. Like recklessly unrolling your sleeping bag at night, on the Grand Canyon's rim. If you make a mistake, it may be too late! I am more curious about acceptable low tension points than where is the high tension flash point.
Today a huge number of rims, spokes, and hubs are designed to support 100kgf of tension in each spoke with very high reliability. It would be a generalization to say 100kgf is "right" but if you go higher, know why and how much. Using half, on the other hand, is rarely ugly.
How to Manage Tension
(1) Get a tensiometer. Riders depend on builders knowing tension. They deserve it. Check these cool Mavic tension tools, built for internal use.
(2) Use a good fitting spoke wrench. Some of the options are discussed here.
(3) Use an effective lubricant. Pedro's, Park, Phil, Chevron, all have good options. Lube the nipple-to-rim seat and, unless you employ a dedicated spoke thread compound (like Spoke Prep™), lube the threads as well. Spoke windup, even when resisted by a holder or plier, slows you down and weakens the spoke at the first thread.
(4) Keep records and observations. Data is the holy grail for engineering. Why? Because a scarcity leads to bad decisions. Listen to people with lots of data. It sometimes takes a thousand examples before a phenomenon is well understood. In cycling, we draw conclusions earlier, but more data = better solutions, especially when talking tension.
Please share comments about your experiences and opinions with various tensions, especially if you've done testing (like Damon). But all thoughts are welcome. We're in this together!
November 02, 2021
I just built my first set of wheels…
Stan’s Flow MK3 hoops
DT 350 straight pull
DT Swiss steel round 2.0 spokes cut and threaded by LBS
Park Tool TM-1 meter
They went together pretty easily (love me some straight pulls!) but when I took them out on the trail to test the rear wheel spokes all spun loose! Not a little, a lot loose!
Reviewing the process i did not tension enough, between 85 and 95 kgf using the PT conversion table also… I might have used paste wax on the nipple seats :( I know, I know. not sure why I would try something original when I have zero experience “sigh”
Also, when I picked up the spokes they had white, paste like lube on the threads. I assumed they were pre-lubed, maybe not?
Anyway, the tire is on with tubeless sealant so I will be re-truing this wheel with the tire on.
My thought is to back all the spokes most of the way out, clean and put a touch of linseed oil on each and bring them true with ~120 kfg
Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Cheers,
Colin
November 02, 2021
Hio Ric,
I have built my first wheel on the rear using the technique from right to left and it is true in radial and lateral.
Then I found out, different spokes has different amount of tightness. It that considered ok? It is a 26 inch rim with single speed
November 02, 2021
Hello All!!
Know of any bike shops hiring? I read the article and the entire thread now I feel like a pro. If you’ve read this then it should be added to your resume… at least a certificate! Education at it’s finest. Great read, awesome POVs.
Thank you!
November 02, 2021
Hi,
first of all I love your Website and the amount of information we can get for free.
I have one question regarding tension inequality between the DS and NDS. I have noticed that many Roval Wheels I work with have a tension difference around 400N from side to side. I know there is a difference given due the structure of a rear hub, but I would like to know if you have any hints on a zone of tension difference you should not exceed. Even though it probably highly depends on the components used.
greetings from germany
Tim
November 02, 2021
Do you have any specific observations about tension and Carbon rims?
Most manufacturers list a max kgf. I generally tend to stay 10-20% below that number due to my experience with non-carbon wheels. However, I have observed that many wheel builders, using carbon rims, are going as close to that max number as possible.
Thanks!
November 02, 2021
Hasnt Jobst argued that “higher” tension prevents nipples unwinding (same way higher torqued bolts are less prone to self-unwind) and that most optimal tension is the “most highest” that doesnt lead to taco, instead of “most lowest” that doesnt lead to spoke breakage?
Spoke breakage is less of a bad outcome than wheel tacoing so I see why recommendation might be leaned towards that option, but I still think that most wheels are sightly undertensioned.
November 02, 2021
Hello,
With all your experience from building wired wheels:
1) What is a common/acceptable spoke tension for a mountain bike 27.5 wheel?
This info is not on the manufacturer’s website. You would think they would provide this.
It is a Kore relam 3.0 27.5 and I can’t find its spoke tension information on the internet.
The rim inner diameter is 33 mm and the rim height is 21 mm.
Don’t worry, I promise not to hold you responsible for anything :-)
Very much appreciated.
Paris.
November 02, 2021
Hi. I am confused what you mean by ’ high tension wheels are dangerous as they may taco’. In what situation would a wheel collapse in use due to high tension? A crash/manoeuvre? thanks.
November 02, 2021
“high tension” should have read “excessive tension.” Each rim can support only so much total tension. Beyond that, the wheel is unstable, wanting to shed some of that tension. An easy way to lower the total tension is for a sine wave of deformation to run around the wheel, usually starting where a large side/lateral force is applied. The “taco’d” wheel is much looser than the straight one and usually permanently deformed. A rim that can withstand high lateral loads is more reliable, so we stay below the absolute maximum. Make sense? That’s what I meant.
November 02, 2021
I’m not totally convinced on the geometry of the spoke tension v lateral stiffness test. It should be noted that there is a load on the wheel even before we apply lateral force to the wheel while riding. The weight of a 150lb rider might put 40% of his/her weight on the front wheel depending on geometry. This serves to detension the spokes via the 28 kg applied to the point of contact. The most unsuported spokes are the same ones contributing to the stiffness of the wheel while riding. The vector of the aggregate force will be a mixture of the rider weight and the effect of the centripetal accelleration of the rider turning and at the angle of bike lean. I beleive the worst case scenario for lowering spoke tension with a high lateral force would be braking through a hard turn. I’m excited to set up a couple tests to try to simulate on road conditions and I’ll let you know what I find.
November 02, 2021
Excellent post. Many would consider 100kgf on a rear wheel (drive side) to be very low with 11spd hubs now becoming the norm (not forgetting campy that’s used this ratio for years) but they consider it low due to lateral rigidity, or assumed lack of. From experience I agree that this is little affected but for spoke fatigue I am concerned.
A wheel built with a White Industries T11 hub set tensioned DS to 100kgf would have a very “low” NDS tension for example.
What is the minimum tension a NDS spoke should be built to to help minimize spoke fatigue? I realize this is a question with many variables and impossible to answer accurately but I’m curious about your thoughts.
Thanks
Steve
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mike
January 30, 2023
Hi Ric,I just had a read of Erics wheel building book in your blogs,very interesting read and a very easy method to follow,allmost a carbon copy of Roger Mussons method,the trouble building todays wheels is actually finding the correct data for the rims you are building with as most rim makers dont even publish the maximum kgf specs for their rims,if i had to build any rim around 100 kgf i would not use that rim ever again,infact anything below 115 kgf would be the minimum i would go,most wheel builders like to go to atleast 120 kgf on the drive side so that the non drive side does not go all slack at once,as thats exactly what happens on an under tensioned rear wheel,i learnt that lesson the hard way when building my first rear wheel,like Roger Musson says nice and tight,if Roger does a very light thinner rim he just drops the tension down a little but he usually aims for 120 kgf on drive side,as you know the non drive side takes care of itself when you dish and true the rim,I cannot find rim makers specs for maximum tension any where on the internet,zilch,nothing,nada,so how i build is just look at how wide that rim is,for what purpose it will be used for,what spokes i am using and make an informed decision based on what i allready know,i dont really need to know the rims specs,cheers